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	<title>Comments on: A Convenient Lie From Madame Flutterby?</title>
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		<title>By: Chuck Ring</title>
		<link>http://gadabout-blogalot.com/2009/11/05/a-convenient-lie-from-madame-flutterby/#comment-704</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Ring]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A nit in the nick of time? I don&#039;t think so. The deal on the 24th was to have the final bill up for 72 hours (that was the question and that was the answer if we are to believe the source quoted). The answer, to the most recent query from the source to Pelosi&#039;s folks was:

&lt;blockquote&gt;But tonight, when asked if Speaker Pelosi will leave the bill online for 72 hours after we see what&#039;s in the rule, Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly replied in an email: &quot;No; [the] pledge was to have manager’s amendment online for 72 hours, and we will do that.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The question and answer on the 24th of September if we put the horse after the cart ...so to speak was:

&lt;blockquote&gt;On September 24, Speaker Nancy Pelosi told THE WEEKLY STANDARD that she was &quot;absolutely&quot; committed to putting the text of the final House bill online for 72 hours: 

TWS: Madam Speaker, do you support the measure to put the final House bill online for 72 hours before it&#039;s voted on at the very end?
PELOSI: Absolutely. Without question.&lt;blockquote&gt;

So, I guess it is how one accepts or manages the words as to whether or not she lied. I manage that she did.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nit in the nick of time? I don&#8217;t think so. The deal on the 24th was to have the final bill up for 72 hours (that was the question and that was the answer if we are to believe the source quoted). The answer, to the most recent query from the source to Pelosi&#8217;s folks was:</p>
<blockquote><p>But tonight, when asked if Speaker Pelosi will leave the bill online for 72 hours after we see what&#8217;s in the rule, Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly replied in an email: &#8220;No; [the] pledge was to have manager’s amendment online for 72 hours, and we will do that.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The question and answer on the 24th of September if we put the horse after the cart &#8230;so to speak was:</p>
<blockquote><p>On September 24, Speaker Nancy Pelosi told THE WEEKLY STANDARD that she was &#8220;absolutely&#8221; committed to putting the text of the final House bill online for 72 hours: </p>
<p>TWS: Madam Speaker, do you support the measure to put the final House bill online for 72 hours before it&#8217;s voted on at the very end?<br />
PELOSI: Absolutely. Without question.<br />
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<p>So, I guess it is how one accepts or manages the words as to whether or not she lied. I manage that she did.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: John Weckerle</title>
		<link>http://gadabout-blogalot.com/2009/11/05/a-convenient-lie-from-madame-flutterby/#comment-702</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Weckerle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There appears to be some disagreement as to whether Ms. Pelosi broke any pledges - none of which, on either side, seems to be getting much time in the mainstream press.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://mediamatters.org/research/200911060016&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This article&lt;/a&gt; from Media Matters - admittedly a left-leaning source - discusses the coverage by several sources as well as the 72-hour rule (House Resolution 554) and appears to cast serious doubt on the assertion that Ms. Pelosi reneged on her commitment or &quot;lied&quot; with respect to the posting of the bill. The Sunlight Foundation, which advocates transparency in government, has articles &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/10/29/house-health-care-bill-online/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/10/29/house-health-care-bill-online/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/11/04/managers-amendment-posted-clock-begins/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; documenting the posting of the bill.

At issue appears to be the fact that proponents of the bill are continuing to negotiate amendments - however, it would also appear that amendments are not subject to the 72-hour rule. It is difficult to see, therefore, how Ms. Pelosi lied or reneged on a commitment to support the House rule, or failed to post the bill in compliance with that rule. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There appears to be some disagreement as to whether Ms. Pelosi broke any pledges &#8211; none of which, on either side, seems to be getting much time in the mainstream press.  <a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/200911060016" rel="nofollow">This article</a> from Media Matters &#8211; admittedly a left-leaning source &#8211; discusses the coverage by several sources as well as the 72-hour rule (House Resolution 554) and appears to cast serious doubt on the assertion that Ms. Pelosi reneged on her commitment or &quot;lied&quot; with respect to the posting of the bill. The Sunlight Foundation, which advocates transparency in government, has articles <a href="http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/10/29/house-health-care-bill-online/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/10/29/house-health-care-bill-online/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and <a href="http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/11/04/managers-amendment-posted-clock-begins/" rel="nofollow">here</a> documenting the posting of the bill.</p>
<p>At issue appears to be the fact that proponents of the bill are continuing to negotiate amendments &#8211; however, it would also appear that amendments are not subject to the 72-hour rule. It is difficult to see, therefore, how Ms. Pelosi lied or reneged on a commitment to support the House rule, or failed to post the bill in compliance with that rule. </p>
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