It’s In The Archives, Maybe — But Will It Dampen The Noise?

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By Chuck Ring (GadaboutBlogalot ©2009 – 2011)

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I’m talking about the President’s “real” birth certificate.  Why would I, as someone who does not support the President on most political matters, want the birth certificate found.  I’ve written about my feelings on this issue more than once or twice and I hope this will be the next to last time. Let me count the reasons, I would like to have his birth  in Hawaii documented:

  1. assuming our federal investigative agencies handled Mr. Obama’s background investigation  two times  (one for his position as Senator and one for his Presidential race and seating) if his birth in Hawaii was not proven through examination of his birth certificate or another country was found as his birthplace, then our federal agencies would have had to criminally conspire for the President to get past their scrutiny
  2. others in our government, from  minor bureaucrats to high-level government officials, would have had to have been complicit in such a scheme
  3. it is not in the best interest of this nation to have a giant hoax get by us when we take pride in doing things by the law (at least we pay lip service to such pride and performance)
  4. if the birth certificate is authentic, it will quell the giant clanging sound that has emanated from the Birther camp for almost two years
  5. if the birth certificate can’t be found or if it can be found … we can at least concentrate on what we can prove about his manner of governing and his other faults

Governor Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) has come out to say that he believes the real deal paper has been found in the “archives.”   Further, he seems to be saying that with or without the President’s consent, he will release the document or proof of the document’s existence.  The Governor sounds like a take-charge individual, but  will he actually follow through on the revelation of the validity of the document thought to be in the archives.  Let’s listen to a video to see if we can find out:

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Nothing absolute revealed by the good governor, so we’ll just have to wait and see.  Here is a link to an article about the issue of whether the birth certificate’s possible  existance.

4 thoughts on “It’s In The Archives, Maybe — But Will It Dampen The Noise?

  1. “assuming our federal investigative agencies handled Mr. Obama’s background investigation two times (one for his position as Senator and one for his Presidential race and seating) if his birth in Hawaii was not proven through examination of his birth certificate or another country was found as his birthplace, then our federal agencies would have had to criminally conspire for the President to get past their scrutiny”

    Actually, that isn’t true. No law requires any federal agency to confirm the citizenship status of any elected official, at least none that I’ve found. If you can cite the law that does, please do so here.

    “others in our government, from minor bureaucrats to high-level government officials, would have had to have been complicit in such a scheme”

    Not really, they simply may have failed to do their due diligence in investigating his background. No one in Congress or in any state government is required by law to verify a presidential candidate’s natural born citizen status, again, not that I have read. Even the Secretaries of the several states only selectively do such background checks, and they are the ones who are responsible for running the election bureaus in their respective states. Funny how a special hearing was held to determine if McCain met the criteria to be considered a natural born citizen, but Obama’s status was never scrutinized in such a way.

    “it is not in the best interest of this nation to have a giant hoax get by us when we take pride in doing things by the law”

    That’s why some states are currently considering laws requiring presidential candidates to prove their citizenship status before being allowed on their respective ballots… so this sort of controversy doesn’t arise again.

    “if the birth certificate is authentic, it will quell the giant clanging sound that has emanated from the Birther camp for almost two years”

    Not entirely, because one of the criteria for being considered natural born is that both of one’s parents be at least naturalized citizens at the time of one’s birth.

    “if the birth certificate can’t be found or if it can be found… we can at least concentrate on what we can prove about his manner of governing and his other faults”

    It’s not as if it’s impossible to concentrate on both his citizenship status and his policies while in office at the same time. Besides, no one in a position of power in Washington has ever paid any serious attention to this issue before, other than to simply dismiss it out of hand.

    • Thus far, it seems you are correct regarding the background check being required. I’m still checking, but probably will not be able to verify that such investigations are required.

      I can’t agree with you regarding your second refutation. While they may not be required to divulge such information, they can still be complicit if they know someone has obtained an office in violation of the law and remain mute or lie about such information. We could start with Hawaiian officials if they have not actually reported the facts regarding his birth. We do agree (I’m sure} the Constitution is “the law of the land,” along with all 27 amendments, and as such is to be followed.

      Regarding some states considering laws for proof of citizenship; I hope they can accomplish what they attempt. In fact, the federal law should specifically allow for the proof in my opinion.

      A person is a natural born citizen whether either parent is a citizen, so long as the child is born in the United States. See the 14th Amendment. If you can cite the requirement that both parents be naturalized before a person is eligible to be president, please do so.

      I can’t disagree that people in congress have not on the surface paid attention to the issue and while I make no excuses for them, perhaps they have seen proof and are not admitting it.

      I certainly want all elected officials to have been elected under the requirements of the law and especially the President and I’ll be extremely pleased to see the issue resolved one way or the other. If it is ever proven he is not qualified, then I will post appropriate apologies.

      I thank you for your comments and arguments and feel free to post more if you desire.

  2. “While they may not be required to divulge such information, they can still be complicit if they know someone has obtained an office in violation of the law”

    The key word there is ‘IF’, and proving that some official knew Obama was not a natural born citizen when he ran for president would be almost impossible to do, unless a conspirator admitted to knowing as well and dropped a dime on the first party.

    “A person is a natural born citizen whether either parent is a citizen, so long as the child is born in the United States.”

    No, simply being born on U.S. soil only makes a person native born, but not necessarily natural born. (See – http://www.scribd.com/doc/18042838/NATURAL-BORN-CITIZEN-THE-MOST-CONCLUSIVE-DEFINITION) Granted, there is still disagreement among even federal officials as to what the true definition of the term is.

    “I certainly want all elected officials to have been elected under the requirements of the law and especially the President and I’ll be extremely pleased to see the issue resolved one way or the other.”

    On that we can both agree, and I thank you as well for your careful consideration of my posts here.

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