Debunking The Myths Of School Closures

The intent of the Moriarty-Edgewood School District Board and the superintendent for the district is to close 40% of the elementary schools in the district.  Thus far they have been denied this drastic measure by the New Mexico Public Education Department (PED). They have attempted to further or bolster their case with supplemental submissions which are now being considered by the PED.

We are posting the “infographic,” found below because we believe it contains valid points against school closures.  This infographic and others to follow were developed when massive school closures occurred in several large cities in the United States.  Not everything contained in the infographic series will be applicable to this district, but each infographic provides food for rational thinking.

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    • Perhaps, but I doubt it. Why do you assume they “want,” to slowly consider? Where is your evidence of that?
      I have no opinion of MESD’s ability to stop a process after it has started. Litigation could be a waste of scarce funds and take longer than the actual process PED would require.

  1. I assume PED wants to avoid making a decision because they have not followed state law for considering a proposal like ours, have communicated only when coerced, and because I believe they were influenced by someone or someone(s) trying to exert political influence before their letter was sent. Since they either don’t know what to do with the MESD proposal (incompetence) or because they have been influenced to stop it (malfeasance), their best strategy is an old lawyer trick called “foot dragging.” I suspect the reference in the suit to “anonymous” persons means there will be subpoenas issued and depositions to discover who may have tried to derail this process through political influence. If litigation goes forward and funds are wasted, those who tried to stop fair and legal consideration of the proposal are to blame. Sometimes representative government and justice are just plain expensive.

    • Well, you remember Occam’s razor; also written as Ockham’s razor from William of Ockham. I believe it applies to the processes used by PED. You’ll have to tell me more about the coercion used by some entity or someone. Was coercion used by MESD or someone carrying their water to PED. The MESD Board of Education is political by law and by action. Is MESD the political influence you have referenced.

      You said, “I assume PED wants to avoid making a decision because they have not followed state law for considering a proposal like ours (emphasis by myself on “ours”) …” Is your statement an admission of your attitude and position all along? I’m just wondering as your words now, seem like so much jive, and they don’t comport with your words at the townhall meeting.

      I hate to do this, but since your reference to subpoenas and lawyers indicates a strong desire on your part to seize the moment, it doesn’t serve the best interest of those disagreeing with you. You can continue to comment all you wish and I will continue to post information germane to other positions. I won’t reply to your comments because I don’t wish to be second-guessed and have my replies to your comments misconstrued by some attorney or pseudo-attorney. Besides, your fingers should be worn to the bone with all your posting on Facebook..

      Heck, do yourself a favor and take the rest of the weekend off.

  2. Chuck Ring

    Maybe before you post something like what you posted above, you should consider the reality of the situation:

    1st – The school did not consider this or make a move on this without considering every option, so this was presented, over and over to tedium to the public. So saying that is was not “presented” to the public is a flat out LIE and for a public figure to come in and say is bordering on fraud, oh but wait you are a public figure, politically motivated by your own ambitions to SELL Property in Edgewood. But here try this for a selling aspect on Edgewood: Move to Edgewood, we have an elementary school that has 1 teacher per grade (maybe less) with 34 students per class, we have a wonderful police department that parks at the bottom of a steep hill and tickets you for doing 2-5 miles over the speed limit as you top the hill. The mayors road is paved but square H (where there is actually a big population and was slated to be paved) is dirt (probably where you will buy a house, oh and your school will then be SME which is currently at 30 students per class. Most of the town budget comes from the Wal Mart and pays for nothing but the police department, but hey we are going to take over the schools and get the money from those, so we will have a big income again (even though the parents and people on SOS and the town council feel it is ridiculous for parents to buy school supplies and Kleenex for their own students). Well we see that is really going to be attractive to coming parents lets move on to the second statement in your “closing schools are bad” post above.

    2nd – Closures won’t save the district bucks, well they have shown you all the research but lets really consider the statement above: First, the schools that the students will be moved to are not “Receiving Schools” they are Fairly NEW High Performing schools. They are also not going to have to go under “Major” renovations to accept the new students, what will have to happen is the rooms that have been vacant (mind you fully equipped rooms) will have to be dusted and reopened for the teacher to move in there. Moving equipment will cost a lot of money? No, teachers will move their personal stuff to the new room (that is already equipped) and be ready to go.

    3rd – any statement about “Class size increases” is BULL, My son is currently at a school in a class with 29 Students in 6th grade and my daughter is in a class with 29 students (both classes above state mandates) the closing of schools will create “equalization” so whereas EES which currently has most classes (except one where there is only 1 teacher and that class is at 30 students) has 2 teachers per grade level and 15 students per class, this equalization would allow for SMALLER class sizes not bigger ones.

    Some other things to consider, at what point do you shut down schools?? The district has budget issues, NOT because of mis-management of funds, but because the state (against the constitution) over the last years has cut Public school funding from 54% to 44%, that is a 10% reduction in funding on top of a 1900 student loss (some of which like the mayor decided to Homeschool because as much as he “thinks the school should stay open and is a high performing school, feels it is not good enough for his own children”) Which I have no objection too at all, that is his right, but he should understand THAT takes funding from public schools so thanks for the lack of support. Also, consider the “private school statement” about small class sizes, take you student to a private school, lets say Albuquerque Academy, oh yeah, that is 21,710 per year, compared to the 6,000 a year a public school gets per student. plus private schools don’t have to feed the students, or provide bus services to students who live ACROSS the street from the school. YEAH, now that is a good comparison for class sizes.

    Finally, what is your wish about how to help the district, do you have any IDEA at all how to come up with 1,600,000 dollars, that is even more revenue than walmart brings in per year in taxes. You have discussed taking over the school district and becoming “independent” Well by shutting down EES the district saves 400,000 dollars, student body of EES is 224 students at 6000 per student, now 400,000 was just the cost of the building, figure in 2 teachers per grade level at 50,000 each Times 7 grade levels, plus building maintenance, plus secretaries, plus a principal, plus lawyers fees (have to have a lawyer on retainer) plus special education services, plus a tech to manage the network and computers, plus updating equipment, plus purchasing of supplies, paper, books, copiers, do you really think that the 1.3 million you will get for student enrollment will cover that. Also don’t forget you would have to BUY the school and you have to pay fair Market value for it NOT $1. The threat of the Town of Edgewood taking over the schools was a politically, ill-concieved, IDLE threat and should never have been presented.

    PS, I AM AN EDGEWOOD CITY RESIDENT, and am very annoyed that you are NOT supporting the district in what it needs to do. You should really go to the superintendent, school board, walk through the schools, look at the number of students per class, look at the lack of supplies, Look at the lost Extracurricular activities, lost field trips. Do you realize that EES has had NO money for field trips, do the research on those and tell me they are not good learning opportunities.

    My feelings are that before you post anything on your blog from BIG CITY research, you should LOOK closely at the real FACTS. You should NOT have posted until you went to the superintendent and got the real numbers. Please don’t betray people who elected you by opening your mouth when you are uninformed or did NOT look closely at the numbers.

    I am sure I have probably upset you and you will delete this, but please at least consider looking at the real numbers and thinking “as a business, when do I shut down a store”?

    Sincerely a voter
    Ken R

    • Sir,
      I will address some of the comments you have made, but I see no benefit to the issue of school closures in addressing your entire post.

      First, I have no property for sale and the only property I have is being paid for just as most ordinary people pay for their residential property.

      Second, I am not a realtor, contrary to lies and innuendos perpetrated by folks on Facebook posts and in local print media. I was a real estate agent at one time, but I have not renewed my license since around 1990. That would be 26 years ago plus or minus a year or two. How long does it take for me to “not,” be a realtor? Also, just so you’ll know, I do not belong to the Chamber of Commerce as has been bandied about in print media and social media.

      Third, apparently you don’t know me, nor do you know my record of service to this community (including Edgewood Elementary and other aspects of the district) otherwise you would not have said the hateful and hurtful things you posted in your comments.

      You thought I might delete your comments, but I want to assure you that I will not. Although I disagree with what you have posted, others need to see what folks are saying about the issue of school closures … regardless of whether I agree with the poster.

      Finally, please know that I hope you vote every time you have a chance and it matters not whether you actually live in the town of Edgewood, I will always try to treat you with respect.

      Thanks for taking the time to comment.
      Respectfully,
      Chuck Ring

      • The comment on the “property values” is because you have made comments about how not having a school in the city limits will devalue or make it hard to sale property. This I have heard over and over. Second, you have said some very disrespectful things to Glen in this post, and about the school board trying to fix a defunct budget along with perpetuating the idea that it was not well thought out or is wrong to close the schools, whether it be Edgewood, MTV, RT66, or SME.

        Finally, how distasteful do you think the article you posted above was with racist comments like, students will have to travel through unfamiliar and Gang ridden areas to get to their new schools, are you referring to RT66 or SME as being Gang ridden areas and the other comment about low income and color schools will lose PRE-K and health services of which NEITHER is currently available at Edgewood Elementary, only at MTV.

        You are right, I don’t know you, but what I do know is the track record that I have seen since moving to Edgewood. Massive areas were incorporated into Edgewood City Limits, areas you don’t even include when I listen to you talk about Edgewood are incorporated. Areas where you do NOTHING to benefit them, you put a trail through, Abrams talks about getting the trail from the Fire Department to another road Graveled, yet how many years has that been in the works. There was a plan for paving some main road, like Square H that has a really large population, that has not happened but another road that was not in the plans was paved. An over-zealous police department was created with no over-site, police parking at the bottom of the steepest hill in town and giving out speeding tickets is almost like “Boss Hog” from the dukes of hazard… I could list all the Negative things I have seen with Edgewood and the decisions made by the mayor and town council, but it is not productive. What I will say is why pave a running trail all the way through the center of Edgewood and not all the way through Edgewood, It was all incorporated. In my opinion that trail should go from RT66 Elementary school To South Mountain Elementary school and not be crusher fines, but be paved, just like it was in the center of Edgewood. Cedar Crest has it along Frost road, why can’t Edgewood???

        The biggest thing I have started Judging you on is your negativity towards the need for Moriarty-Edgewood School District to close a school. This may seem wrong to you, but do you realize that Teachers took two day furlough last year to keep Edgewood Elementary school open, Do you realize that most schools in the district have way to many students. Do you realize that teachers are buying school supplies out of their pockets because the schools don’t have enough money. Any real business would have closed doors on one of the schools years ago, but from arguments I hear from the council, we keep EES open no mater what. So I have a question for the next time you want to talk negatively about schools closing: When do you close it, 100 students in the building, 50 students in the whole building, 5 students in the building, No students and just keep it open to say there is an elementary school. The school is almost empty now, I speak from experience walking through it, most teachers have two rooms, one for supplies one for their class, there are many vacant rooms, one building is shut down.

        I will say it once again, You are right, I don’t know you, but you, the other town counselors, and the mayor lashed out against the school district for making a WISE budget decision, that is what I have to judge you by. Give me something else, Moriarty Mayor and counsel fully supported the districts decision, and they were losing a school also, but understood it was what was best for all students. Please resend your threat to start your own school district, go with the other ELECTED body’s decision and let the state and PED know that you support the School Board who are also elected officials by the same people who elected you They voted, got the feedback and have the responsibility to see to the proper running of the school district, not you, they were elected to do that, they were elected by the people who support them still to make that decision, and you as an elected body are not supposed to run the school district but the town of Edgewood, ALL OF IT, not just the center portion, but as MUCH as the counsel has incorporated.

        Sorry I seem hurtful, but the town counsels and your assault on the Moriarty-Edgewood School District also Assaulted and were hurtful to more people than you helped, I thought you would have become aware of that at the last town counsel meeting, but apparently even with all the town there and the majority defending the school district, you did not see that and continue with these NEGATIVE posts. Enough, support MESD so they can help and improve education for all students. Support our students please.

        REspectfully

        Ken Roestenburg

        • Mr. Roestenburg,
          I will attempt to address some of your assertions and complaints. My responses will be interspersed between your comments.

          Yours: The comment on the “property values” is because you have made comments about how not having a school in the city limits will devalue or make it hard to sale property. This I have heard over and over. Second, you have said some very disrespectful things to Glen in this post, and about the school board trying to fix a defunct budget along with perpetuating the idea that it was not well thought out or is wrong to close the schools, whether it be Edgewood, MTV, RT66, or SME.

          Reply: You said something entirely different in reference to me and property for sale, but I’ll take your word as to what you actually meant. More than one, in fact many, studies conclude closing a school in a community will have a negative impact on property values and the morale of its citizens.

          As far as Glenn goes, we have a long history of association. Suffice it to say I am aware of his attempted denigration of myself and others disagreeing with him inside his Facebook organization and other area media.

          I believe the budget is at a deficit and it isn’t defunct as you state.

          I have consistently advocated keeping all the schools open. This was before the board voted to close 40% of the elementary schools in the district.

          I’m sorry, I don’t know what you mean by MTV; perhaps you refer to Mountain View Elementary.

          Yours: Finally, how distasteful do you think the article you posted above was with racist comments like, students will have to travel through unfamiliar and Gang ridden areas to get to their new schools, are you referring to RT66 or SME as being Gang ridden areas and the other comment about low income and color schools will lose PRE-K and health services of which NEITHER is currently available at Edgewood Elementary, only at MTV.

          Reply: Here’s part of my introduction shown on the page you reference:
          “We are posting the “infographic,” found below because we believe it contains valid points against school closures.  This infographic and others to follow were developed when massive school closures occurred in several large cities in the United States.  Not everything contained in the infographic series will be applicable to this district, but each infographic provides food for rational thinking.

          I clearly state, “Not everything contained in the infographic series will be applicable to this district, but each infographic provides food for rational thinking.”

          Cherry picking two points beneficial only to your goals and attempting to characterize them as racist to match your apparent self-serving ideas, requires a leap of deduction which has no merit whatsoever. In my opinion, when someone resorts to this kind of rhetoric, they do so either to inflame the reader, or to detract from the validity of the overall presentation. I invite you to view the “infographic,” as a series of ideas, some of which could have merit for MESD, rather than zooming in on what you have wrongly identified as “racist,” comments.

          Yours: You are right, I don’t know you, but what I do know is the track record that I have seen since moving to Edgewood. Massive areas were incorporated into Edgewood City Limits, areas you don’t even include when I listen to you talk about Edgewood are incorporated. Areas where you do NOTHING to benefit them, you put a trail through, Abrams talks about getting the trail from the Fire Department to another road Graveled, yet how many years has that been in the works. There was a plan for paving some main road, like Square H that has a really large population, that has not happened but another road that was not in the plans was paved.

          Reply: You’ll have to identify those massive areas as your reference leaves a lot to the reader’s interpretation … perhaps you refer to Campbell Ranch. If so, Campbell Ranch was annexed as a PID and unless and until they are able to prove they have water, we cannot go forward with further negotiations. I don’t know what other area you might be referring to, but at a minimum we maintain roads in incorporated areas, we provide law enforcement, fire service, animal control and we provide other services required by ordinance and state statute.

          You have mentioned Square H Road twice and it has never been scheduled for paving, so I don’t know where your information was obtained.

          Yours: An over-zealous police department was created with no over-site, police parking at the bottom of the steepest hill in town and giving out speeding tickets is almost like “Boss Hog” from the dukes of hazard… I could list all the Negative things I have seen with Edgewood and the decisions made by the mayor and town council, but it is not productive.

          Reply: You have criticized the police department in your previous comment and now you criticize them in this comment. In your last post you said they issue citations for speeding 2-5 miles per hour over the speed limit. If you have solid evidence of this I would like to see it, as Chief Radosevich and the Edgewood Municipal Court Clerk have told me they do not recall citations for speeding 2-5 miles per hour over the posted limit. You now say the police department has no “over-site.” I completely disagree with your opinion and would like to see your evidence on the accusation, otherwise I’ll believe what I know to be true … Chief Radosevich provides excellent oversight for the department.

          Maybe it would be much more productive for you to focus on the positive things, rather than the negative things you claim to have seen which have happened since Edgewood was incorporated. If you are interested, I’d be pleased to take you on a tour of the town.

          Yours: What I will say is why pave a running trail all the way through the center of Edgewood and not all the way through Edgewood, It was all incorporated. In my opinion that trail should go from RT66 Elementary school To South Mountain Elementary school and not be crusher fines, but be paved, just like it was in the center of Edgewood. Cedar Crest has it along Frost road, why can’t Edgewood???

          Reply: The trails along Old Rt 66 and SR 344 were paved and paid for by the New Mexico State Department of Transportation and the trail on Frost Road was paved by Bernalillo County. The paved Edgewood trail is a multipurpose trail for walking, bicycling, running and horseback riding. Much of the area between the Edgewood limits on Old 66 and some of the route to Rt 66 Elementary School is outside the town limits and in Bernalillio County, but there are plans to complete trails all the way from Tijeras to somewhere close to Edgewood on the West, if not inside Edgewood. This trail or trails will be funded by in-kind contributions, volunteers, and grant or appropriated monies acquired by a group organized for the purpose. I do not know if the trails will be paved. If the trails which Councilor Abrams is planning are constructed, I am sure they will serve until additional improvements can be made.

          Yours: The biggest thing I have started Judging you on is your negativity towards the need for Moriarty-Edgewood School District to close a school. This may seem wrong to you, but do you realize that Teachers took two day furlough last year to keep Edgewood Elementary school open, Do you realize that most schools in the district have way to many students.

          Reply: I do know teachers took furlough days to help the budget for all schools and not solely for EES. So, you need to revise your statement to be factual.

          If you mean by your statement, “Do you realize that most schools in the district have way to many students,” that schools are overburdened with students; then what good will it do to further overburden the 60% of schools remaining after the closure of EES and MVE?

          Yours: Do you realize that teachers are buying school supplies out of their pockets because the schools don’t have enough money.

          Reply: I am 74 years of age and teachers were burdened with buying school supplies when I was in school, but in answer to your question, I do know teachers purchase some supplies with their personal money and I commend them for doing so, just as I commend them for giving up furlough days to aid the district with its budget woes.

          Yours: Any real business would have closed doors on one of the schools years ago, but from arguments I hear from the council, we keep EES open no mater what. So I have a question for the next time you want to talk negatively about schools closing: When do you close it, 100 students in the building, 50 students in the whole building, 5 students in the building, No students and just keep it open to say there is an elementary school.The school is almost empty now, I speak from experience walking through it, most teachers have two rooms, one for supplies one for their class, there are many vacant rooms, one building is shut down.

          Reply: I have volunteered at EES for at least the preceding five years. The volunteer work included the painting of 9 classrooms and a 3800 square foot hallway. Additionally our volunteers removed goat heads (sixteen 50 gallon barrel bags the first time) from the playgrounds and weed-whacked much of the area. I tell you this to let you know I am quite familiar with the school.

          If you focus on school population, EES student enrollment is not that much different from other elementary schools within the district. The school has some maturity, but is still quite functional and would be more functional if not for being the victim of deferred maintenance. It has been stated EES is in line for complete replacement in the not too distant future, but only if it is not closed.

          Yours: I will say it once again, You are right, I don’t know you, but you, the other town counselors, and the mayor lashed out against the school district for making a WISE budget decision, that is what I have to judge you by. Give me something else, Moriarty Mayor and counsel fully supported the districts decision, and they were losing a school also, but understood it was what was best for all students.

          Yours: Please resend your threat to start your own school district, go with the other ELECTED body’s decision and let the state and PED know that you support the School Board who are also elected officials by the same people who elected you They voted, got the feedback and have the responsibility to see to the proper running of the school district, not you, they were elected to do that, they were elected by the people who support them still to make that decision, and you as an elected body are not supposed to run the school district but the town of Edgewood, ALL OF IT, not just the center portion, but as MUCH as the counsel has incorporated.

          Reply: It is your opinion and not mine that the board and superintendent made the right decision. And, the rest of the Edgewood council still feels as I do. At least I haven’t heard of a change in their positions. Additionally, there are many parents and citizens in the Edgewood community that disagree with the decision.

          As to Moriarty’s position, Moriarty will gain students in their corporate limits, so why wouldn’t they applaud the decision. Edgewood loses its school and some economic benefits should EES close.

          There is not a chance (in my opinion) of change in the Edgewood community’s desire to examine the possibility of forming a new school district.

          Yours: Sorry I seem hurtful, but the town counsels and your assault on the Moriarty-Edgewood School District also Assaulted and were hurtful to more people than you helped, I thought you would have become aware of that at the last town counsel meeting, but apparently even with all the town there and the majority defending the school district, you did not see that and continue with these NEGATIVE posts. Enough, support MESD so they can help and improve education for all students. Support our students please.

          Reply: In Edgewood’s view, this attempt to close EES is a repeat of the previous attempt to close EES. During that time, I offered up a resolution calling for Edgewood, Moriarty and the board to come together to work for a long-term solution. At that time, there was no interest in doing what the resolution called for on the part of Moriarty, the board and the rest of Edgewood’s governing body.

          The citizens attending the meeting you refer to hardly constitute “ … all the town.” Your characterization of my posts as “NEGATIVE,” applies only if one believes the board can do no wrong. Obviously I disagree or we wouldn’t be here.

          Respectfully,
          Chuck Ring

          • Mr. Ring,
            I know I am interrupting yours and Mr. Roestenburg’s conversation here, but I really feel I need to respond to some of this. I’ll follow the format you used in your previous post because I like it.

            Yours: More than one, in fact many, studies conclude closing a school in a community will have a negative impact on property values and the morale of its citizens.
            Reply: Where are the studies that show decreased property values when a college campus is in the community? Where are the studies that show decreased moral when a college campus is in the community? I wish I had the time to look up research of the positive effects of a college in a small town. But, I do not. I can only go by personal experience I had living in the other NM towns with Colleges and Universities.

            Yours: Suffice it to say I am aware of his attempted denigration of myself and others disagreeing with him inside his Facebook organization and other area media.
            Reply: If by “his Facebook organization” you mean “Moriarty-Edgewood Students First,” he did not found that organization. Stewart and Savannah Burnett did.

            Yours: It has been stated EES is in line for complete replacement in the not too distant future, but only if it is not closed.
            Reply: If I remember correctly, it was either 199 or 299 on the list, and I believe it was also stated that unless you’re in the top 100, you won’t get renovation for another 2-3 years. So, with EES being 199, renovation wouldn’t happen for quite possibly 4-5 years. That is, assuming my memory of that part of the presentation is correct. I haven’t looked to see if the document is online anywhere.

            Yours: Moriarty will gain students in their corporate limits.
            Reply: I was looking at a map of the corporate limits of both Edgewood and Moriarty. MES was not inside the yellow shaded portion, neither was MMS, and I think only half the MHS campus was. However, I’m pretty sure the EVCA was. The map could be outdated, I don’t know.
            Maybe you can answer my questions, as I have never received what I found to be an adequate response – Why is it important to have an elementary school inside city limits? Why doesn’t the middle school matter? Why is a half-empty elementary school “better” than a college?

            Yours: Edgewood loses its school
            Reply: Are RT66 and SME not considered Edgewood schools?

            Yours: and some economic benefits should EES close.
            Reply: What economic benefits?

            Yours: There is not a chance (in my opinion) of change in the Edgewood community’s desire to examine the possibility of forming a new school district.
            Reply: Is the purpose of the Town Hall meeting on April 12th to discuss with the community the possibility of an Edgewood Independent School District?

            Yours: In Edgewood’s view, this attempt to close EES is a repeat of the previous attempt to close EES. During that time, I offered up a resolution calling for Edgewood, Moriarty and the board to come together to work for a long-term solution. At that time, there was no interest in doing what the resolution called for on the part of Moriarty, the board and the rest of Edgewood’s governing body.
            Reply: What was your idea for a solution?

            Thank you, and I would really love it if you could answer at least some of the questions I have. I think it would help me understand the “don’t close EES” point of view.

            Thanks again,
            `Katie

          • Hit enter before I started. So please, please present your ideas for overcoming a 10% + decrease in school funding, please present your ideas for overcoming a loss of 2000+ Students. I hear you “presented them to the board” when they originally were going to close down Edgewood Elementary School (although whatever you presented must never have been seen anywhere) and yes, the two days furlough taken by teachers was in a very DIRECT relation to keeping EES open (PS you have lived out here for how long, dealing with MESD and don’t know the abbreviations for the schools, guess you were not that involved except with Edgewood Elementary).

            As far as I know, NO ONE has presented an alternative to closing two schools down to save the MESD budget. Not you, not the Mayor, not any of the other town counselors. Present your ideas, all the information about the budget is posted on the MESD website, NOT hidden, take it and come up with a plan that keeps all the schools open please, no one wants to see schools close.

            a budget deficit of 1.6 million dollars IS a defunct budget.

            Years ago, you helped EES paint rooms and weed the yard, do you really think that makes you an expert on schools, budgets and teaching.

            You are brushing off the two days furlough for teachers without any thought that for the last 8 years (until the mandated 1% last year) teachers had NO raises. So consider the increase in retirement, the increase in Health insurance, and the increase in cost of living, do you realize that for teachers it has been an 8 year pay decrease with a culmination in a two day furlough. if you compare teachers take home pay from 8 years ago to today’s pay you will find that most teachers are making 28% less than they were 8 years ago, consider lowering your income by 28% (this is calculated not a guess) because years ago, they did not close a school.

            You said: If you focus on school population, EES student enrollment is not that much different from other elementary schools within the district. The school has some maturity, but is still quite functional and would be more functional if not for being the victim of deferred maintenance. It has been stated EES is in line for complete replacement in the not too distant future, but only if it is not closed.

            Where do you think the money is going to come from to build a new school, you think the town of Edgewood can afford that. You over and over discuss taking over the school district, building new school….. Does money go on trees in Edgewood?

            You Said: As to Moriarty’s position, Moriarty will gain students in their corporate limits, so why wouldn’t they applaud the decision. Edgewood loses its school and some economic benefits should EES close.

            How will Moriarty GAIN students in their corporate limits if the schools close, students are not moving, jut moving to nearby schools that are not empty. Moriarty gets no benefits from this, only the students do.

            You also talk about all the support that is given to EES but the Mayor does not even see fit to send his children to the public schools, if you create a seperate Edgewood school district, will he send his children there then??

            You stated: If you mean by your statement, “Do you realize that most schools in the district have way to many students,” that schools are overburdened with students; then what good will it do to further overburden the 60% of schools remaining after the closure of EES and MVE?

            I made a mistake and did not get a word in that was meant, the schools in the district are NOT overburdened with students, the classes at all schools except EES are way to big, both of my students at SME are in classes with 29 students, whereas because they have the same number of teachers at EES, the class sizes average 16 – 18.

            Plans for a trail are “tentative and graveled NOT paved, before there was a PD, I could rely on the County for law enforcement, Fire department is currently the Counties not cities, and animal control, Hmm, have not seen or needed them, so not sure how that is relevant. Water, is coming from someone else, sewage, septic tank, trash, Lmora, really not getting any services I want from you. since PD would be all that matters and I would rather have an elected Sheriffs department who has to do right by the people or be voted out of office, than a Police Chief appointed by a councel who may and may not really care about what people think.

  3. Again, I must respectfully take issue with your citing this article in support of your position, as it perpetuates myths and misinformation. So allow me to debunk your debunking article.

    Premise 1: Most kids wont go to better schools.
    False. The alternative schools (Route 66 and South Mtn) have, in general, historically scored equal to or better than Edgewood Elementary in standardized testing over the last 10 years.

    Premise 2: Cost of closure won’t save money.
    False. Existing schools are fully outfitted to receive students. Minimal inventory transfer and no renovations are necessary. The student transportation argument is also largely invalid because the vast majority of students on are district are already bussed and we are merely looking at a change in the direction of transporting. Changes in distances are minimal at best.

    Premise 3: these schools aren’t really empty.
    False. There truly are entire wings in these schools that are empty. Ironically enough, in some classrooms in these same schools, we have classrooms with 25-35 students in them because of the unequal and sporadic distribution of these students. School closure & consolidation would actually help even out this distribution issue, making for more even class sizes over classrooms in fewer schools.

    Premise 4: Closure would disrupt communities
    Existing programs within the district would not be lost, but transferred to remaining schools. Receiving schools are welcoming in new families with open arms, knowing they are able to help our district by doing so. These same students in Edgewood will ultimately end up together at the middle school and are all part of the same community anyway. And adequate community input was provided, but some parents and community members chose to stick their heads in the sand and hope the problem would magically disappear. That’s what happened the last time closure was mentioned and in the meantime, we continued to lose programs and the problem got progressively worse. The time is now, and the responsible thing to do is close the schools and do what is right for the kids in the entire district.

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